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Re: Worrying situation at Redmire

Post by Kevin » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:59 pm

No problem Trevor it is good news for the countryside..This pool or river or school could be anywhere in the country, rural, close to agribusiness.
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Re: Worrying situation at Redmire

Post by Stathamender » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:52 pm

Kevin wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:47 pm
There is a temporary ban on all Neonicotinoids, the minister said he supports making it a permanent UK ban.
Italy if i remember correctly stopped it a while back and the insects are in recovery,and buzzing.
The Guardian online quote the minister and 38 degrees have a petition running into the hundreds of thousands.
Best wishes to the Redmire fish,get well soon.
While it seems to be pretty clear that neonicotinoids are harmful to bees I am unaware of any evidence linking them to problems with fish. These are far more likely to result from excessive use of phosphates and nitrates and from agriculture derived sediments. See: https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 5jucP3P0Dy
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Re: Worrying situation at Redmire

Post by Santiago » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:51 pm

I found lots of evidence that Neonicotinamides affect aquatic insect life, and have a knock on effect on fish, because their levels build up to toxic amounts that kill off aquatic insects that feed on dead plant matter. Subsequently, the plant matter is broken down by bacteria instead, and this leads to anaerobic conditions. Also, there's much less insect life for the fish to feed upon, and this causes major problems for juveniles that have more specific food requirements. The information is very easy to find, just Google aquatic insects and Neonicotinamides. When these chemicals were first tested the long term build up was never considered, so the field tests on aquatic life are now thought to be flawed. They should never have been licenced!
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Re: Worrying situation at Redmire

Post by Stathamender » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:07 pm

Santiago wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:51 pm
I found lots of evidence that Neonicotinamides affect aquatic insect life, and have a knock on effect on fish, because their levels build up to toxic amounts that kill off aquatic insects that feed on dead plant matter. Subsequently, the plant matter is broken down by bacteria instead, and this leads to anaerobic conditions. Also, there's much less insect life for the fish to feed upon, and this causes major problems for juveniles that have more specific food requirements. The information is very easy to find, just Google aquatic insects and Neonicotinamides. When these chemicals were first tested the long term build up was never considered, so the field tests on aquatic life are now thought to be flawed. They should never have been licenced!
I googled neonics and fish. This recent review https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4284370/ which identifies neonics as toxic to fish and birds in principle, direct effects on fish are difficult to identify '...environmental concentrations of imidacloprid and clothianidin appear to be at levels below those which will cause mortality to freshwater vertebrates, although sub-lethal effects may occur. Some recorded environmental concentrations of fipronil, however, may be sufficiently high to harm fish'. Research on the indirect effects, which are what you refer to, was described as 'there is a paucity of data, despite the potential to exert population-level effects. Our research revealed two field case studies of indirect effects' only one of which referred to fish. It seems clear, from the descriptions given, that what's causing the problems at Redmire, which is what's at issue here, is almost certainly nitrates, phosphates and agricultural derived sediments.
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Re: Worrying situation at Redmire

Post by Skeff » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:34 pm

Alan Richardson has posted an update on the Redmire Open Group Facebook page that may be of interest:

2018-2019 SEASON AND THE REDMIRE CONSERVATION PROJECT
Bookings for the 2018-2019 season will be taken from 10:00am on SUNDAY 28th January 2018. Enquiries for these dates will be taken on +44 (0) 1989 770703 (please note that bookings will NOT be taken on Les Bamford's mobile number or by email). For more details please see the bookings page on the Redmire Pool website.
We’re pleased to announce that major work on the Redmire Conservation Project will begin in mid-September 2018 (in addition to measures to combat ground water issues that are already under way). In February, we’ll begin sharing more details about the project, which will be led by Mark Walsingham, owner and manager of the famous Ashmead Fishery in Somerset and chief architect of the conservation plan.
Because no fishing can take place after work begins, no bookings will be taken for dates AFTER Monday 17th September 2018.
We really appreciate the tremendous support we’ve received from the community over the years, and understand the great responsibility we have for this very special water and its stock. We know many of you will have questions about the project, so we’ll try to post responses here when possible – but as we’re sure you’ll appreciate, not all details of the plan will be instantly available (and some of the mystery must be preserved).
The key news is that the project is fully funded, and we have excellent support from both local partners and the relevant national agencies. We’re very excited for the future, and remain committed to ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to experience the unique atmosphere and history of Redmire Pool.
(on behalf of the Redmire Pool owners)

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Re: Worrying situation at Redmire

Post by Mark » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:04 pm

That is great news Skeff, will they be removing the fallen oak in this process or will that be a later project.
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Re: Worrying situation at Redmire

Post by Skeff » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:10 pm

It's a very comprehensive project Mark. Full details will be announced when we are ready but the vision is to restore the pool so that if a member of The Carp Catchers Club walked onto the dam, they would recognise the pool they fished and see an environment as rich as that which they knew in the pool's heyday.

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Re: Worrying situation at Redmire

Post by Mark » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:19 pm

Skeff wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:10 pm
It's a very comprehensive project Mark. Full details will be announced when we are ready but the vision is to restore the pool so that if a member of The Carp Catchers Club walked onto the dam, they would recognise the pool they fished and see an environment as rich as that which they knew in the pool's heyday.
You couldn't ask for much more than that could you, well apart form a few monster carp. :Hat:
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Re: Worrying situation at Redmire

Post by Goosequill » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:34 pm

Very good news indeed (today's announcement above); really sounds like a huge effort has been made to set the wheels in full motion to preserve a very special place. Wonderful.

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Re: Worrying situation at Redmire

Post by GregF » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:26 am

Great news :Hat:
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